From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. Have mercy! I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? Its only your perception and I would deny it. It happens. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. Each person will answer to God for themselves. They do things right. Sadly so. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. Market data provided by Factset. Could you tell me the difference? Really? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Opinion Preston Clegg. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. Their influence has been growing and recently . I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? If you dont like it, too bad. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? 1. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . I kind of dreaded this type of response. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. Excellent post David. Pastor / Teacher. I dont do stock answers. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Regards. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. God is everywhereeven in the news. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? Is this success? (John MacArthur). Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. It is quite shocking. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Name me one church that has handled everything well. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. . Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. 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