See below for the whole section on Kelsier and what hes been up to behind the scenes. Wax and his friends became embroiled in this incident in opposition to the Set, and Wax was almost killed in an encounter with them. He wasn't Kelsier, and he didn't need to be but it was hard to believe so when people kept reminding him of how different Kelsier would have . When Bleeder killed Father Bin by nailing him to a wall, it is described as a parody of the Survivor's Statemark,[60] implying that the Statemark depicts the way Kelsier died, impaled by a spear. It is relevant because it has spawned 23 posts and created an interesting discussion. Willshaper is high on the list as well. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, she was shot several times but retained a metalmind and escaped. It is assumed that, based on his experience as a Misting crew leader that staged increasingly daring heists, he had broken into the Ministry building of Urteau and discovered the secret in the storage cache). Kelsier discovered that Mare had given him her only geode, and was forced to watch Mare being beaten to death by the guards. Their combined effort would, in the end, result in the collapse of the Final Empire. Kelsier was then trained by a Mistborn named Gemmel[37] and they traveled to the far north of the Western Dominance to a city called Mantiz where Kelsier fought and killed the Mistborn Antillius Shezler. Throughout the course of the original Mistborn trilogy, he was been working behind the scenes to try to help Vins cause. I dont think the head matters. Even with the strongest criminal team ever put together, Kel's scheme appears to be the absolute long shot. Except if you remove the spike, you love the alteration because the Identity is not matched. [61][4][3] When assassinated by Szeth, Gavilar suspects Thaidakar of ordering his death. the original post says a lot: Are you asking if the rebels were influencedby Ruin? He is confronted by a Steel Inquisitor, which he eventually manages to defeat by beheading him with the Inquisitor's own obsidian axe. The Lord Ruler served as the target of Kel's final escapade, a superb thief and natural leader. Dustbringer also fits because of the theme of self mastery and pushing himself. Marsh decided to give Wax a book explaining Hemalurgy because he believed Wax was doing Kelsier's work. We want to discuss this theory. At some point after his revival, he also became a prominent figure on Roshar known as Thaidakar, though he is still physically stuck on Scadrial.[1]. He is presumably the founding member of the Ghostbloods, a secret society investigating the Cosmere and ways to travel between all the different worlds. I find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is. On the battlefield, Kaladin would be more likely to win. Kelsier offered to let her to join his crew. I have to explain myself like, seventeen times. [49], When he returned to Scadrial he found that Preservation's power was significantly weakened. But were talking about the Lord Ruler, and he was standing up the whole time. This severely angered Kelsier and crushed morale within his crew, making them feel that they wouldn't be needed now that the army had been slaughtered. Clearly I am not the only one questioning the relevancy, (Thanks for the support btw @KalaDANG) and it is not to point out that I don't "like" the theory, I find it unlikely, and there are 2 main reasons: A. I don't understand what the theory is trying to say (Which might make my thoughts on the theory irrelevant). He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. Although Vin assumes him to have only trained partially using each metal, Kelsier is extremely skilled at Steelpushing and Ironpulling, a skill he demonstrates when he defeats and kills the Steel Inquisitor Bendal. Back at the city gates Kelsier introduced Vin to Sazed. [42] Despite being mostly cordial with Kelsier, he does hate him to an extent due to how he manipulated peoples faiths during his life, playing with their hearts and treating their faith casually. "[3] Kelsier is Iyatil's master. It gains its Hemalurgic charge as soon as it touches moving blood. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Marsh is aware of Kelsiers current activities as a Cognitive Shadow. Greetings, Cosmere chickens and Allomancers! And, if you can, dont get all rage monster with ma boy Ishar. All we know for certain is that its some sort of entity worshiped by many on Scadrial. In the event of his death, Kelsier ordered his kandra, OreSeur, to ingest his remains, masquerading as a resurrected holy figure. But was that truly the end of his tale? [31] He lost these abilities in death and has not recovered them.[22]. In their hunt for a kandras missing spike, they travel to New Seran, then to Dulsing, then finally to the Sovereigns Temple. Here, they discover that Waxs sister Telsin is still alive and a member of the Set. [21] There is a darkness to him that other heroes, such as Kaladin, would fight but that Kelsier instead embraces and is so ruthless that, in a fight with other notable people from the cosmere, he would be the most likely to win;[27][28] even Hoid considers him incredibly dangerous. Some of the Survivor's less pleasant traits include his ruthlessness and prejudice. Kelsier locates this skaa, whose name was Vin. Throughout the course of the series, weve been following the underhanded machinations of a group called the Set. In Alloy of Law, we learned that the Set (through Mister Suit, Waxs uncle) was responsible for funding the Vanishers, a group who was kidnapping female descendants of the Lord Mistborn (aka Spook). Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. The mentor figure always ends up getting killed. At the beginning of the novella, Kelsier is killed by the Lord Ruler, but refuses to pass on to the Beyond, and instead becomes trapped in the Cognitive Realm, between the Physical and Spiritual realm. In his interactions with them, he goes by another name you might recognize if youre a Stormlight fan Thaidakar. With the garrison gone and the nobility weakened by the war, the rest of the army then could take over Luthadel. Hesdead, and presumably to themgoing to the beyondanyway, so even if they spiked him with an attribute, it would just be waste. And he had no realistic way to escape him. Alloy of Law served mostly to introduce us to the main characters (and we will go into each of them in more depth below). [53][54] He used this opportunity to tell Spook to send a message to Vin, warning her that any spiked person could potentially be under Ruin's control. This thread only relatesto Mistborn, and should probably be moved to the mistborn forum,instead of the Cosmere forum, to avoid spoilers. Major Character Death; Categories: F/M; Gen; Fandom: Mistborn - Brandon Sanderson; Relationships: . As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. [40] He continued training Vin and was surprised by her quick progress. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. Kelsier is the younger brother of Marsh, who is disappointed at Kelsier's apparent lack of direction or purpose until Kelsier leads the skaa rebellion. born of the mist dagger kelsier fornite books bookmarks Creator Janseloth Designs 2 Downloads 3 Sales US$5.40 Followers 0 Follow Contact Page translated by automatic translation. If you dont have time for a reread of the series before diving into the new book and need a refresher course so you can go in with your metalminds clear, were happy to help remind you of whos who, whats what, and all those other wondrous Ws! Once their army was trained and the houses grew unstable enough, they would send a part of their army to attack the Pits of Hathsin, forcing the garrison of Luthadel to go and defend the Pits. Will we learn more about him in The Lost Metal? I dont mean to sound aggravated or anything. [70], Soon afterwards, Wax accessed a coppermind contained in a coin-like Southern Scadrian medallion that Hoid had given him and saw a vision of what appeared to be Kelsier's memory of discovering the Southern Scadrians hundreds of years prior. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. Marasi Colms: An Allomantic Pulser (able to slow down time in a bubble around herself) and a constable in the Elendel constabulary. Gave Entrone: An amateur archeologist who insulted Steris at a party. She agrees to join the crew in exchange for Kelsier's training. His near invincibility as a Mistborn warrior fuels his reckless nature. Ironeyes(fka Marsh): Marsh was Kelsiers brother. He is a half-blood skaa with a father from the noble class. Thus Kelsier's mother was killed, and because of this, the brothers have a deep hatred of noblemen. When used Allomantically, the metal is said to burn with a pure whiteness and will slowly be consumed, in the same way it would be by a Misting or Mistborn. Kelsier is seen to be not fond of the decision, but doesn't let any of his agents to assassinate her. If you dont like or understand it, again, move along. We left off in TheBands of Mourning with Steris and Wax eloping. Marsh, who was also in love with Mare, came to resent Kelsier for winning her love and for constantly outshadowing him with his frivolty. If it did, when Inquisitors are made, the spike would have killed them before it gained a Hemalurgic charge. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. [22][23] Perhaps as a result of his egotism and arrogance, several of his plans involve setting himself up as a powerful, mysterious, or even divine figure. Be aware that in its current state, it may not include all additional content yet. [38] Outside the city, they saw a Mistwraith. In addition, Kelsier is a competent warrior, defeating multiple Hazekillers and Mistings while outnumbered and disarmed. The Skaa still would have rebelled, Vin still wouldve gone after TLR, and they still wouldve won. It requires the physical anchor of the spike. The "Survivor's Statemark" is one of the symbols of the faith. Despite his disapproval of Kelsiers actions, Marsh is still willing to infiltrate the Steel Ministry as part of Kelsiers plan. When Marasi Colms discovers an agent of the Ghostbloods, Moonlight, she manages to convince her to take Marasi to a warehouse in Bilming to aid in the fight against the Set. Marsh doesnt like a lot of Kelsiers actions and the way he handles the rebellion. Wax, Wayne, and Marasi work together to take down Miles Hundredlives, a compound bloodmaker who has been kidnapping women and stealing aluminum for a shadowy organization called The Set. At the end of the book, the kidnapped women are still missing, Miles is executed, and Wax discovers that his uncle Edwarn, whod been presumed dead, is actually alive and a member of the Set. We dont really know if the rebels that stabbed TLR used enough force to get the head of the spear all the way through his body so the metal head of the spear wouldnt be touching him. He is a twinborn, utilizing the Allomantic/Feruchemical skills of Coinshot (pushing metal) and Skimmer (storing his own weight to make himself heavier/lighter). [63] The Ghostbloods believe Kelsier to still have his Allomantic abilities,[64] and he appears to be playing into this lie.[32]. [39], The plan was to secretly build up an army of twenty thousand trained skaa soldiers in the Arguois caverns while at the same time causing confusion and distrust in the nobility to cause a house war. [3] He considers him to be very dangerous. If he were a Returned, his name would likely be Lifeseeker, or something along those lines. The man tells a villager to "survive.". If youre looking to learn even more, I highly recommend that you check it outthere are also chapter-by-chapter recaps of the books if youd like to do a more thorough deep dive into the Mistborn series! Telsin Ladrian (aka Lady Sequence): Waxs estranged sister, and a high-ranking member of the Seteven higher than Mister Suit. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! That said though, Im also kind of confused at what Ruin would be trying to accomplish even if TLR HAD been spiked. However, Mare's use of Allomancy was sensed by the Steel Inquisitors (since they could pierce copperclouds), and Kelsier and Mare were captured by the Lord Ruler. And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, so is it possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike? He then "Snapped", becoming a Mistborn. He connects us to his characters. [75] Kelsier was kind of Ruins agent on Scadrial while he was there, even though he didnt actually have a spike. [8] Despite Preservation not usually being able to speak into the minds of other, due to some combination of Spook being near death, having a broken soul, and believing Kelsier was a god, he was able to talk to Spook. [11] He hates all of the nobility and tends to believe that all of them are to blame for the plight of the skaa, although near the end of his life this attitude changes due to Vin's insistence that Elend is different and that not all the nobles should be fought, although his views did not fully change, and he retained his prejudice and distrust. He once used them in his fight with a Steel Inquisitor, so the metals acted like they were alive, twitching and flying through the air to cut and distract the Steel Inquisitor. Kelsier then made his living as a thief, becoming famous throughout Luthadel. [14][21][27], Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. Now we are two Books deep into the Second Era and maybe i need to re-read them with more cosmere awareness but i cant remember any hints of a Cognitiv/Cosmereaware Kelsier . No, Kelsier was not fond of Marsh. , After discovering the Eleventh Metal Kelsier started to prepare his plan by hiring the Kandra OreSeur. I represent that one thing you've never been able to kill, no matter how hard you try. But lets start off with the basics, shall we? [6], Dockson told Kelsier about a young Allomancer girl Marsh had discovered whom he suspected was a Mistborn. A discussion means you have twosides, and you literally just asked one side to leave and move along.. Kelsier is a fully trained Mistborn, despite his half-noble half-skaa ancestry. . This was a character that I connected with and he showed true traits of a Robin Hood-hero. Now with over 10 million copies sold, The Mistborn Series has the thrills of a heist story, the twistiness of political intrigue, and the epic scale of a landmark fantasy saga. They called you their god, and you were casual with their faith! [8] He also hates how much Kelsier goes against his Intent, bringing about massive societal change in how he brought about the death of the Lord Ruler, and played into Ruin's plans. Kelsier's martyrdom and seeming resurrection spawns a new religion, the Church of the Survivor, which venerates Kelsier's teachings. [67] Harmony also made vague allusions to the Southern Scadrians that Kelsier once ruled as the Sovereign. This isn't really a theory, I would just like to get the ball rolling on a discussion and throw that out there. As of the end of TheBands of Mourning, it is believed by the characters that the goal of the Set is to begin a civil war to overthrow Elendel. Its not that difficult. Kelsier recruited the underworld's elite, the smartest and most trustworthy allomancers, each of whom shares one of his many powers, and all of whom relish a high . While held in an Elendel jail, Suit was visited by a mysterious creature with red eyes. Id make a world where owers returned, a world with green plants, a world where no soot fell from the sky. Kelsier was central to it all. In Era 2, followers of Kelsier are known as Survivorists. Steris and Marasi are both followers of this religion. [24] This results in the skaa considering him a god, leading to the founding of the Church of the Survivor, which refers to Kelsier as "Lord of the Mists". See the original version. [43][77] Merely interacting with Hoid for a brief amount of time was enough to send Kelsier into a murderous rage. Despite her supposed betrayal, Kelsier never stopped loving her. He eventually plays an important role in freeing her from Ruins influence. Kelsier killed eight Hazekillers, stole a bag of atium, and made sure that it became known that a Mistborn had attacked a Great House, something forbidden by an unspoken agreement between the houses. Kelsier would beat Kaladin in a straight fight as he is prone to using dirty tactics. The elite of the underworld, each of whom had one of Kelsier's various abilities, were recruited. TenSoon wears Kelsier's bones to glean information about Vin from Luthadel guards. But you can't kill me, Lord Tyrant. They also have some sort of ties to. [32] He also had Codenames send messages to Steris and the Ghostblood agents in the Elendel Basin, telling them to prepare for an evacuation of Elendel. I am hope. Might as well use that talent for the cause of good eh? Think of this article as one of those Last time on recaps at the beginning of a television show. My bad. First released in 2006, Mistborn currently emcompasses six books, the most recent one having been released in 2016. Kelsier is the leader and presumed founder of the organization, which Mraize calls "the most powerful organization in all the cosmere. (Aside from the possibility of the spear no longer being a symbol). All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. 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TLR was being spiked by the rebels and then into Kelsier. What are you trying to say you think happened? Realizing Vin didn't trust him, he told her that in his crew they trust each other. [3] He appears to be using the Ghostbloods to find a way for him to leave Scadrial and is very interested in learning from the Heralds, particularly Kalak, as they are subject to a similar restriction. (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). [13], Kelsier is a psychopath,[14] or at least has some psychopathic tendencies. Yet, his death isn't truly that sad to me. . I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. B. from what I do understand, I don't see why it is relevant, and generally, when something is irrelevant it is wrong simply because it is simply adding more complexity to the books (I think we all know the Cosmere has plenty), and is pointless. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. 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